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The Ashes
#41
(03-09-2019, 01:35 PM)adickinson Wrote: Well Woakes has been dropped, I do wonder if something has happened behind the scenes. Root either doesn't trust him or he is carrying a niggle. It seems very strange that he has been underused and then seemingly lost some form.

It would be nice if we could get him back for the seasons run in, however I would imagine England would rather have him running the drinks on.

Woakes has an ongoing knee problem that needs to be carefully managed.
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#42
(03-09-2019, 02:23 PM)Terry Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 01:35 PM)adickinson Wrote: Well Woakes has been dropped, I do wonder if something has happened behind the scenes. Root either doesn't trust him or he is carrying a niggle. It seems very strange that he has been underused and then seemingly lost some form.

It would be nice if we could get him back for the seasons run in, however I would imagine England would rather have him running the drinks on.

Woakes has an ongoing knee problem that needs to be carefully managed.

Even taking that into account I don't think he's been well used by Root. There have been several times when it's been overcast when I think he should have opened the bowling instead of Archer. Obviously Archer is very good, but I think Root has been caught up in all the hype and is in danger of overbowling him.
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#43
Root is a poor captain. Whether or not Woakes has an ongoing knee problem and has to be carefully managed, he has been underused by Root which consequently led to him losing form and then losing his place in the team. Archer was overbowled and now looks a shadow of the bowler he did at Edgbaston. Overton just looks like a bad pick. The Aussies have a better bowling side but apart from Smith it must be the poorest batting team they have had since I can remember.

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#44
Went to see  The Edge a few weeks back.

When you look back at the England batting line-up that won the Ashes in Australia 2010-2011 and compare it to now - well...

Since then we have pushed first class cricket to the margins and hollowed it out, prioritised white ball cricket and engaged an England head coach who has no interest at all in county cricket.

We are reaping the consequences of those decisions now yet TPTB plough ahead with their ill-advised schemes, all of which are detrimental to the test side.

Agree with you on Root's captaincy but given what he's been given to work with it's difficult to see what else he can do.

We all know that the step-up from county cricket to the test team is much wider than it was 10 years ago when the likes of IJL Trott moved seamlessly into an Ashes test. Remember back in 2009 Justin Langer saying that CCD1 was the best domestic first class competition around. I doubt he'd say that now. The drop-off in the standard of county cricket has been pronounced since then - it's still entertaining and hard-fought but the quality is significantly lower.

Although I'm a big fan of Dom Sibley and on balance think he's got what it takes to move up I've nowhere near the confidence I had when Bell and Trott did it.

Pretty depressing.

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#45
(07-09-2019, 11:48 AM)DaveC Wrote: Went to see  The Edge a few weeks back.

When you look back at the England batting line-up that won the Ashes in Australia 2010-2011 and compare it to now - well...

Since then we have pushed first class cricket to the margins and hollowed it out, prioritised white ball cricket and engaged an England head coach who has no interest at all in county cricket.

We are reaping the consequences of those decisions now yet TPTB plough ahead with their ill-advised schemes, all of which are detrimental to the test side.

Agree with you on Root's captaincy but given what he's been given to work with it's difficult to see what else he can do.

We all know that the step-up from county cricket to the test team is much wider than it was 10 years ago when the likes of IJL Trott moved seamlessly into an Ashes test. Remember back in 2009 Justin Langer saying that CCD1 was the best domestic first class competition around. I doubt he'd say that now. The drop-off in the standard of county cricket has been pronounced since then - it's still entertaining and hard-fought but the quality is significantly lower.

Although I'm a big fan of Dom Sibley and on balance think he's got what it takes to move up I've nowhere near the confidence I had when Bell and Trott did it.

Pretty depressing.

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I agree with pretty well all of that.  And if winning the World Cup balanced out the Test match failings, let's see what happens when, from next year, the domestic 50 over competition is relegated to a minor tournament whilst The Hundred is running.

I haven't seen The Edge yet - my daughter bought me the dvd for my birthday and then said: "Bring it round and we can watch it together."  She's good at buying presents for me that she really wants for herself.
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#46
I concur with the last paragraph... 12 sides, one division and a T20 competition for 18 countues both played throughout the season... perhaps with a 50 over competition... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49710531
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#47
Watched 'The Edge' on Saturday and enjoyed it apart from the usual "England are rubbish......" That usually comes with this sort of presentation. A lot of key moments during that period are too quickly ignored and not a lot of explanation is given to certain events. One of the most annoying bits in the film is seeing Botham give his opinion on England being bowled out for 51 in the West Indies and getting angry which is just how I felt watching some of the crap that he and his fellow 'Partygoers' came up with on various occasions because they lacked discipline and late nights with plenty of alcohol were not scoffed at. Nothing worse than an 'Old Boys Club' on TV having a go at players for doing something they did time after time. It's a good film but I do get a bit tired of all the "...Oh! look here's a rubbish performance from England, let's talk about it again."
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#48
Someone has said that the Ashes nightmare for an England supporter would be Steve Smith and Ellyse Perry batting together - they would bat forever.
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#49
(17-09-2019, 01:04 PM)Terry Wrote: Someone has said that the Ashes nightmare for an England supporter would be Steve Smith and Ellyse Perry batting together - they would bat forever.

Would they squabble over the number 4 position or would one smile from Ellyse win her the berth?
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(17-09-2019, 03:29 PM)narsty simon Wrote:
(17-09-2019, 01:04 PM)Terry Wrote: Someone has said that the Ashes nightmare for an England supporter would be Steve Smith and Ellyse Perry batting together - they would bat forever.

Would they squabble over the number 4 position or would one smile from Ellyse win her the berth?

Well she has a more winning smile than Steve Smith, that's for sure!
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