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#61
(30-08-2018, 08:12 PM)GrizzlyBear Wrote: It can't be easy to act as a selector when the raw material just isn't there. As Steve James said in The Times, there are a lot of square pegs in round holes at present. I think the basic problem is the lack of any reliable openers. If we had any, we could pick three with Root to bat at 4, a batsman (maybe Pope, maybe Bell) at 5, Stokes, Bairstow, Moeen or Leach, Woakes or Curran, Broad & Anderson. That would be a coherent sidie but with nobody convincing to bat in the top three it all falls apart.
Rory Burns? 

Are there any credible openers out there that haven't already been tried and failed? They'll be coming for Will Rhodes soon.
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(30-08-2018, 08:49 PM)narsty simon Wrote:
(30-08-2018, 08:12 PM)GrizzlyBear Wrote: It can't be easy to act as a selector when the raw material just isn't there. As Steve James said in The Times, there are a lot of square pegs in round holes at present. I think the basic problem is the lack of any reliable openers. If we had any, we could pick three with Root to bat at 4, a batsman (maybe Pope, maybe Bell) at 5, Stokes, Bairstow, Moeen or Leach, Woakes or Curran, Broad & Anderson. That would be a coherent sidie but with nobody convincing to bat in the top three it all falls apart.
Rory Burns? 

Are there any credible openers out there that haven't already been tried and failed? They'll be coming for Will Rhodes soon.

If they come for Will Rhodes, can we send them Sibley instead?
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#63
Why they haven't tried Burns is a mystery to me. If anyone has ever banged the door down demanding inclusion (in preference to a hapless incumbent to boot) it's Rory Burns this season. Or indeed the last two or three seasons.
Lara, Tendulkar ... Pilling.
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#64
I think we all know that the art of 'Proper' batting has gone. I hope that tomorrow will see the top 3 just look at the fact that there are 3 days in this match left to play and tell themselves to bat time and not play at every ball. What balls they leave will be as important as what balls they play. If England bat all day with 4-5 wickets in the hutch by the close then the series is theirs. Root missed a trick not letting a pace bowler bowl at Bumrah as soon as he came in. Poor tailenders just get trapped in the crease by pace and he would not have lasted that long. India now have a little momentum and I hope that slender lead is not worth 2 wickets. Had England taken a lead of 20-40 runs then even if they'd lost a wickets tonight, they would have been 60-70 to the good and in charge. I'd love to see someone make a nice, slow patient 100 and put India out of the game. I think England are the better side in this series and I hope they don't throw it away.
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#65
Exchange between Michael Vaughan and Geoff Boycott on Channel 5:

Vaughan: Yesterday England were bowled out for 246. Fifty one years ago, Geoffrey was playing in a Test against India and scored 246 all on his own.

Boycott: Well I was better than them.

Ah, the humility of the Yorkshireman. But he's probably right.
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#66
(01-09-2018, 01:33 PM)GrizzlyBear Wrote: Exchange between Michael Vaughan and Geoff Boycott on Channel 5:

Vaughan: Yesterday England were bowled out for 246. Fifty one years ago, Geoffrey was playing in a Test against India and scored 246 all on his own.

Boycott: Well I was better than them.

Ah, the humility of the Yorkshireman. But he's probably right.

What you don't mention - and Geoffrey probably didn't either - is that he scored so slowly that the selectors dropped him for the next Test.
Difficult to imagine an England player today being dropped after scoring a double century.
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#67
A double century would probably result in a knighthood!
LE - aka John
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#68
Also that India side would struggle and probably did then, against county sides. For all his bragging, Boycott played for himself and hid against the spinners in India 1972-3 and again 1976-7 and also hid against Lillee/Thomson/Walker in 1974-5 and 1975 and the West Indies in 1976. Wonder how good he'd think he is if he'd played in any of those series. Yes it would be good to have an England opener who could just drop anchor and bat , bat, bat but Boycott often became strokeless for whole sessions and put pressure on others to have to score quickly just to get the scoreboard moving.
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#69
Well done to England and to Moeen as man of the match.
Just a shame that my daughter bought me a day five ticket for my birthday.
Oh, well, it will sit well on the shelf with the chocolate teapot she bought me last year.
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#70
So Cook has announced his retirement.... A fantastic record for England. Will he be one of the last true red ball batting specialists; able to put together a big total and handle the pressures of batting at the top of the innings when the ball is hard and shiny and the bowlers fresh and fast?
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(03-09-2018, 07:17 PM)Warleybear Wrote: So Cook has announced his retirement.... A fantastic record for England. Will he be one of the last true red ball batting specialists;  able to put together a big total and handle the pressures of batting at the top of the innings when the ball is hard and shiny and the bowlers fresh and fast?

With so much white ball played I think you could be right
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#72
A great player in an age where the word 'Great' is very overused. When he first stepped into the Test arena someone who knew what they were talking about said he would score 10000 Test runs. Not sure who it was but wish they could spot another player just like that. Would love him to sign out with a huge score.
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#73
What will happen when Anderson and Broad retire as well? The future of English redball test cricket looks uncertain for the next few years?
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#74
Ben Stokes will still be part of the attack when Anderson and Broad are gone but his knee could be a problem. woakes has a poor away record and I am not sure any of the Curran's will do much away from home with the ball not swinging as much. What England need is genuine pace but there is not too much of that about. Ollie Stone looks the best bet on the 'Pace' front but his injury record could hamper him. As if England haven't enough problems trying to find 3-4 good batsmen.
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#75
If / when Jimmy goes past McGrath tomorrow he'll set a record that may never been surpassed, at least by an Englishman. I suppose it may be eventually but I don't see any current England-qualified player who'd get even remotely close. They'd have had a good career if they get half as many.
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#76
Cannot picture what the England side will look like in 3-4 years time. No Anderson, Broad and Cook and a batting side which might be relying on numbers 6-9 to score a lot of runs. If we cannot find adequate bowling also, there could be really lean years ahead.
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(11-09-2018, 12:34 AM)paulbear Wrote: Cannot picture what the England side will look like in 3-4 years time. No Anderson, Broad and Cook and a batting side which might be relying on numbers 6-9 to score a lot of runs. If we cannot find adequate bowling also, there could be really lean years ahead.

You are surely forgetting the shortarse trundler who should be up to 150 wickets or so in three years' time.
How about Ollie Stone, Henry Brookes and Jofra Archer as a fearsome pace trio for England?
In three years' time, Chris Woakes will still be much younger than James Anderson is now.  And we can surely expect Ben Stokes to punch his weight.
I'm less sure about the spinners - maybe one of Dom Bess or Jack Leach will have established themselves by then.
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#78
As I said in earlier posts on the same subject, Brookes in years to come will be in the side in my opinion and I have also mentioned Stone as well and I would take it as read that Woakes will obviously be part of England's plans with Stokes but Curran's lack of pace might find him out, I do hope I am proved wrong. Would like to see Bess and Leach bowl on unhelpful pitches to see just how good they are. I am very optimistic on the spin front as far as the numbers go but not sure if they will perform abroad - only one way to find out.
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#79
On a completely different note, farewell Cooky, what a total gem and a gentleman also. Just goes to show that decent human beings can achieve in major sports without having to be 'In Your Face' Yobbo's who showboat and want to be noticed. You can understand the sentimental stance of most of the crowd yesterday and the attitude of the Indians yesterday was both charming, sporting and respectful. Stand by for Sir Alistair either in the new year or very soon and thoroughly deserved. Who knows, we might even see him next year at Edgbaston playing for Essex and I doubt any of us would begrudge him a single run.
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(11-09-2018, 10:06 PM)paulbear Wrote: On a completely different note, farewell Cooky, what a total gem and a gentleman also. Just goes to show that decent human beings can achieve in major sports without having to be 'In Your Face' Yobbo's who showboat and want to be noticed. You can understand the sentimental stance of most of the crowd yesterday and the attitude of the Indians yesterday was both charming, sporting and respectful. Stand by for Sir Alistair either in the new year or very soon and thoroughly deserved. Who knows, we might even see him next year at Edgbaston playing for Essex and I doubt any of us would begrudge him a single run.

Completely agree. Pure class, always dignified and never boastful. Bit unusual these days. Thought it was lovely his family seeing him do so well. His little girl clapping him was delightful.
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