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(01-01-2018, 12:22 PM)Warleybear Wrote: Even without carrying out my preferred option of restructuring the championship....  I fail to understand how you cant play both championship cricket and T20 across the summer...... there used to be 40 over Sunday league and championship matches. As it is, even T20 finals day is virtually on its way to being in October.

Anyway.... happy new year.

It was a format that worked. However the players, disregarding the fact they are in the entertainment business, did not like the 4 day game being interrupted on a Sunday!

I suggested years ago that the one day league (T20 now) should be made up by the same teams as the CC then throughout the summer teams could play the T20 match on the "5th" day. The T20 leagues are not done on merit but by region so would present no problem IMO. The teams playing each other in CC in the last few weeks of the season would need to arrange an alternative date earlier in the season to play their T20 fixture. A couple of weeks could then be sound to hold quarter finals and finals day by early September

Scrap the 50 over competition and the crmped fixture list is solved - simple
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Let's be honest, the men's domestic game is in a mess
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... and is there anyone other than the ECB who thinks that anything that is being planned will make it better?
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(01-01-2018, 04:42 PM)Leicester Exile Wrote:
(01-01-2018, 12:22 PM)Warleybear Wrote: Even without carrying out my preferred option of restructuring the championship....  I fail to understand how you cant play both championship cricket and T20 across the summer...... there used to be 40 over Sunday league and championship matches. As it is, even T20 finals day is virtually on its way to being in October.

Anyway.... happy new year.

It was a format that worked. However the players, disregarding the fact they are in the entertainment business, did not like the 4 day game being interrupted on a Sunday!

I suggested years ago that the one day league (T20 now) should be made up by the same teams as the CC then throughout the summer teams could play the T20 match on the "5th" day. The T20 leagues are not done on merit but by region so would present no problem IMO. The teams playing each other in CC in the last few weeks of the season would need to arrange an alternative date earlier in the season to play their T20 fixture. A couple of weeks could then be sound to hold quarter finals and finals day by early September

Scrap the 50 over competition and the crmped fixture list is solved - simple

You cant scrap the 50 over game because how else are we going to develop players for odi cricket. The 50 over world cup is way bigger than the t20 world cup.  Its a mess which they cant sort out

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Got to agree with Leicester Exile on the organisation of the county competitions; a 50 over or T20 game the day after a Championship match spread over the season would reduce congestion slightly, allow more weekend fixtures and also allow some proper cricket outside of April and September!

My proposal would be:
Championship - 2 divisions of 9, teams play each other twice, 2 up / down, posibility of relegation for the side finishing bottom of Division 2

Royal London - 2 divisions of 9, each team plays each other twice, teams in the same division as they are in the Championship, top 4 of each division go into quarter finals. I decided on the top 4 from each division as it would allow teams to still have a chance of winning the trophy even if they were in division 2 as a result of Championship relegation

T/20 - As above

Which then allows a schedule something like:
Week Mon Tue Wed Thurs Fri Sat Sun
1       R      R    CC    CC    CC  CC   50
2       R      R    CC    CC    CC  CC   50
3       R      R    CC    CC    CC  CC   50
4       R      R    CC    CC    CC  CC   50
5       R     50    R      50     R   50    R 
6       R      R   CC     CC    CC  CC   50
7       R      R   CC     CC    CC  CC   50
8       R      R   CC     CC    CC  CC   50
9       R     50   R       50     R   50    R
10     R      R   CC      CC    CC  CC   50
11     R      R   CC      CC    CC  CC   50
12     R      R   CC      CC    CC  CC   50
13    20      R   20      R      20   R    20
14     R      20   R      20      R  20     R 
15    20      R   20      R      20  R     20
16     R      R   CC     CC     CC  CC   50 QTR
17     R      R   CC     CC     CC  CC   20
18     R      R   CC     CC     CC  CC 50 SEMI
19    20     R   20       R      20   R  20
20     R     20   R       R       R   20 QTR R
21    CC    CC  CC     CC      R   50 FIN R 
22    CC    CC  CC     CC      R 20 FIN R
23     R      R   CC     CC     CC  CC  R

R = Rest day CC = Championship Day 50 = Royal London game 20 = Blast game

Using 2018 dates, the season would start the week commencing 09/04/18 and would be wrapped up by the week commencing 10/09/18...
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RB - you and I should have been in the NY honours list !!!!! Perhaps if our idea was taken up by the ECB our names could be attached to it like Duckworth-Lewis.
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(02-01-2018, 11:00 AM)Leicester Exile Wrote: RB - you and I should have been in the NY honours list !!!!! Perhaps if our idea was taken up by the ECB our names could be attached to it like Duckworth-Lewis.

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Great fixture list that, if only..............................
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LE:
For services to un-buggering the ECB's mess? Arise Sir Exile and Sir Random!

Terry:
It can't be compared to the D'worth / Lewis / Stern system, it is far too simple surely?

NS:
My main motivation with drawing up a schedule like that is that, as well as providing a more balanced fixture list, it schedules cricket on most weekends. After the shunting of CC games to April and September, my biggest criticism of the current schedule is that for several years there have been too many occasions where there is no cricket scheduled for a weekend. I work shifts so can get to random games on a Tuesday, but most people have their free days on a Saturday and Sunday, so why is there no cricket for them to watch when they have a chance to attend?
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Would I be mistaken for Phillip Green or Richard Branson or some other tax avoider.

You are absolutely right. Cricketers need to understand they are in the entertainment business and as such should as much as possible be playing when the paying public can attend. Cricket should be played every weekend throughout the season. After all the main day for football and Rugby is still Saturday.
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(02-01-2018, 08:45 PM)randombear Wrote: LE:
For services to un-buggering the ECB's mess? Arise Sir Exile and Sir Random!

Terry:
It can't be compared to the D'worth / Lewis / Stern system, it is far too simple surely?

NS:
My main motivation with drawing up a schedule like that is that, as well as providing a more balanced fixture list, it schedules cricket on most weekends. After the shunting of CC games to April and September, my biggest criticism of the current schedule is that for several years there have been too many occasions where there is no cricket scheduled for a weekend. I work shifts so can get to random games on a Tuesday, but most people have their free days on a Saturday and Sunday, so why is there no cricket for them to watch when they have a chance to attend?
The ecb make proper cricket less accessible each year, thus crowds drop giving them another excuse to reduce it even further, it's very sad the way the men's domestic game is going
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LE:
Precisely; I really don't understand cricket being scheduled for a Monday yet Saturday and Sunday all too often see players with their feet up.

NS:
Sadly true; if the ECB seem determined to undermine their own competition then what can be done?
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(02-01-2018, 08:45 PM)randombear Wrote: but most people have their free days on a Saturday and Sunday, so why is there no cricket for them to watch when they have a chance to attend?

randombear - this dates back to yet another ECB "questionnaire and initiative" that is now lost in the mists of time.

As I recall it was a questionnaire aimed solely at people who didn't actually attend county cricket and the findings were that there was no point putting anything on Saturdays in particular because club players could not attend. From that point on - it was about 8/9 years ago - they left Saturdays free. It's only been in the last couple of years we've started getting the odd Sunday start and an occasional Saturday chucked in at the start of the season.

The ECB and counties have long since stopped concerning themselves with their core audience. All that matters now are the Friday night boozers and the Sunday afternoon families.

If you take a look at the club's most recent accounts - and I suspect this year's too - you'll see that T20 income is now outstripping that from memberships.

Sad to say but they can probably continue to ignore our protestations until we've all died off.

FWIW - and it's only to preserve the integrity of 4 day cricket - I've come round reluctantly to a conference system of 6 teams with play-offs and a final at the end. 3 winners to the semi finals and 2 best losers play-off for the other place. That would keep each division competetive.

Then 2 semis and a final. Means a minimum of 10 CC games for every county and a maximum of 12 CC games for the contenders at the end.

If we did this I reckon the bulk of the CC season could then be played in "proper" summer.
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Sadly it's all about greed, as long as the grounds are filled it doesn't matter if they're not proper cricket fans, pleasing the chavs is more important
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Simon ... that view is one that doesnt carry those who like both the championship and T20 with you.

Totally agree about the lack of cricket at weekends. Even with uninterupted four day games it wasnt that long ago you could watch limited over cricket on a Saturday or Sunday and the end or begining of a championship match on the same weekend. There have recently been many weekends in the height of summer where there has been hardly ANY form of cricket played in the country.

Dave... the solution is to build a roof.... funded by the council tax LOL ;-)
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Back to the Ashes - without Chris Woakes, that looks like a long England tail; and he wasn't there to act as night-watchman.
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Yes Moeen out of form as well adds to the problems. Root once again fails to convert a 50 into a hundred. Difference between him and Smith

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Root has been a huge disappointment on this tour. I realise the issue of his conversion rate is a long standing one, but I wonder if captaincy is making it worse.

Vince plays some nice shots but can't build an innings. Until he shows he can, he wouldn't get back in the team.

And what was that about at the end of the day? A night-watchman should have gone in. Tom Curran would have been my choice. Bayliss is not proactive enough as a coach. He should stick to white ball cricket and we should hire a coach for the test side.
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Well as we come to the fag end of this debacle of an Ashes series, we can reflect on where the longer format of the game is in this country.... out of site, out of mind and a structure based on the old boys network that is no longer fit for purpose. Change is needed.... only those with vested interests or hobiests would think otherwise.
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Thing is Warley we are not a bad team, we did beat SA last summer the number 1 ranked team at that moment in time. The problem is, and i know i am stating the obvious we are not good enough in Australian conditions, so surely we have to start preparing now for 4 years time with quicker bouncier pitches, and picking the right players for those pitches. But will all counties buy into this idea, and the director of English cricket, who George Dobell thinks has been a failure if anyone on here has been reading hie reports over the last couple off weeks, and you would have o agree with him.
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