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The Ashes
#81
Awarding points for getting picked for England?, surely in proper cricket points are only awarded for what happens on the field of play, keep the gimmicks for the pantomime stuff
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#82
Worth bearing in mind too that Notts' low figure of 8 includes Graeme Swann (Who played his first 6 seasons at Northants) and Darren Pattinson (Who only played 1 Test)

I just feel something needs to be done Warley; I wouldn't say that the Championship rewards failure, but I keep coming back to the argument that if certain counties occupy the bottom slots year after year and don't produce Test players, just what purpose do they serve?

Of course, if / when they decide to do anything with the format, the ECB also need to play some FC cricket outside of April and September too!
Bears fan, Wolves fan, blood red Socialist, a not so vital statistician; what a collection...
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#83
Agreed... many teams in the championship are not playing to a high enough competative level... they can just trundle through... season after season... scrapeing the bottom... and if they do produce England players... well those players are used to failure. Things have to change.
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#84
I've been too busy celebrating Christmas to keep up to date with the cricket.  So did we drop that useless so-and-so Broad and the pathetic Cook who are both obviously past it and dragging the team down with their performances?
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#85
(28-12-2017, 11:01 AM)Terry Wrote: I've been too busy celebrating Christmas to keep up to date with the cricket.  So did we drop that useless so-and-so Broad and the pathetic Cook who are both obviously past it and dragging the team down with their performances?

Shy Shy Shy

Nuff said!
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#86
Once England are 3 nill down and the ashes lost.... then most people switch off..... Nice to see Cook score a few though - even if it is virtually a meaningless game.
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#87
(29-12-2017, 06:38 PM)Warleybear Wrote: Once England are 3 nill down and the ashes lost.... then most people switch off..... Nice to see Cook score a few though - even if it is virtually a meaningless game.

That's the big difference between Test/CC cricket and the one day/T20 formats - In test/cc there are never meaningless games, there is always something to play for
LE - aka John
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#88
(29-12-2017, 06:38 PM)Warleybear Wrote: Once England are 3 nill down and the ashes lost.... then most people switch off..... Nice to see Cook score a few though - even if it is virtually a meaningless game.

Nonsense!
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#89
(29-12-2017, 06:38 PM)Warleybear Wrote: Once England are 3 nill down and the ashes lost.... then most people switch off..... Nice to see Cook score a few though - even if it is virtually a meaningless game.

Over 80,000 people were still sufficiently switched on to make it to the MCG on Boxing Day.
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#90
Terry ... good point.... but both the MCG and Sydney Ashes matches are an event.. ticket purchased months in advance.. and fortunatley that feeling of special occasion helps here too with attendances at many UK tests. A Lords test or Edbaston test will generally always do well.

Its the TV audiences that I meant... and putting it on BT, out of site and out of mind, didnt help either whether 3-0 down or not... and Simon.... that is an opinion and not nonscense. We cant all agree with your view of the game. IMHO, a series defeat before the MCG match was very poor.

Our system seems to accept failure both domestically and internationally... most people will believe that the series was lost at 3-0... the rest, like the dustcart, just follows the lord mayors show. We failed and lost ... and the pressure is off the Australians.... and therefore more than one or two England players.

Change is needed.... a system cant reward a counties consistant failure or indeed raise players to be used to constant races to the bottom and battles to win the wooden spoon. Teams like Leicestershire dont give the championship the respect it deserves... a wooden spoon 70 percent of the time this century just to provide a route into the championship for some product of the public school system.

To be honest, Im not sure if the current England set up know what they are doing either... playing too much championship cricket in April and September doesnt help (T20 is not an excuse), the quality of some teams is too poor and they need culling... as for the team we have too few options... for example, even seeming to accept our part time spinner bats at 7 or 8 (and still averages less than 20 with the bat in this series taking only 3 wickets)... or swing is the answer to everything.

Finally... our coach... does he understand county cricket... was he a wise choice?

There can be no knee jerk responses... most people wont like the solutions... but some very painful decisions will need to be made and implemented. The problem isnt new as some pundits may suggest....

As for the Ashes... I cant remember when the SCG held a "still alive" ashes match? 30 years ago?
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#91
As LEpointed out, there is no such thing as a 'non event' in proper cricket, the mistake you make is likening real cricket to the pantomime pyjama slog, they are far removed! As for your point about counties disrespectinh the championship - the ecb do that!!
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#92
WB you talk about meaningless test matches and similarly in the CC. But when it comes down to the individual matches the winning team still needs to take the 20th wicket in the game or reach the target set for the fourth innings.

In comparison I would say that 80% of one day and T20 games are over well before the end - very often by the end of the first innings.

The 80% is my estimate but honestly just how many games stay close to the last 10 overs (in 50 over games) and 5 overs in T20?
LE - aka John
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#93
Very few LE yet no one ever says 'what an uninteresting game that was', I've said before seen one t20slog you've seen them all,ball 1flies down to third man with the batsman aiming through mid wicket the whole crowd applauds wildly saying'great shot!'as all wavetheir' 4'cards with glee, proper cricket always has something intriguing going on
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#94
I find it interesting that T20 is mentioned when talking about test cricket. It seems its the fall back position rather than considering / discussing the longer format. In my earlier post, I only made a very minor reference to it with regard to playing championship matches in the summer. Perhaps outside T20, people agree with some of my points.

As per my earlier post.... I do believe that interest wanes amoungst the public when a series is lost... and this was once again lost far too quickly.....

The championship needs respect... it needs playing across the summer in all conditions and it needs those counties that consistantly fail replacing with new blood. Complacensy and procrastination will not help the longer format.
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#95
We agree on one thing - CC needs to be played across the summer. But that is very difficult when T20 is given so many days along with the 50 over game and then the ECB want to introduce a second T20 competition. Soon there will not be enough time to play any championship cricket.
LE - aka John
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#96
Can't understand why 14 games take more than 6weeks to complete
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#97
Agree with you NS you cricket snob/dinosaur, it should only take 4 weeks to complete the group stage. Don't worry folks it's only banter between me, and Simon, i have said this to his face several times over the last few years, Unlike that rude personal rant last week by Dave C to Littlepete
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#98
Play double headers
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#99
Even without carrying out my preferred option of restructuring the championship.... I fail to understand how you cant play both championship cricket and T20 across the summer...... there used to be 40 over Sunday league and championship matches. As it is, even T20 finals day is virtually on its way to being in October.

Anyway.... happy new year.
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Ladies fixture list is much better, they start in May and finish in August
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