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The current Squad who would you keep/release?
#21
Whilst the championship is very important, we mustnt forget T20... the revenue is so important, the attendances very significant and people know when they have been short changed.

As well as players. .. does anyone have an insite to the coaching staff etc.
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#22
KEEP
Ian Bell
Jon Trott
Sam Hain
Laurie Evans (if he's happy, otherwise not)
Tim Ambrose
Chris Woakes
Keith Barker
Rikki Clarke
Jeetan Patel
Josh Poysden
Chris Wright
Boyd Rankin

LOSE
Put it this way, I'd not miss any of the others. And this is the nub of our problem: our first choice XI - fitness and availability permitting - is strong, assuming we recruit a couple of openers. But beyond those it's very slim pickings. When you consider the age of our first XI the requirement for solid, reliable back up - a strong squad in other words - is even more important.
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#23
Gonna stick up for Gordon a bit here. He bowled some good spells at times in the Royal London, got wickets, in the Yorkshire game on TV he looked almost hostile and seemed to have a bit of his pace back. He looked a bit off in the T20 games though.

Be a way better option in 4 day cricket than OHD. Better batsman and fielder too.

Dougie has his favourites though, we all know this...
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#24
Some fair comments in this thread, interesting reading.
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#25
I suppose if Chesney H were to join us, and if he was the only new signing of the winter, he would become the one and only (....for all you '80s music aficionados out there!).
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#26
(25-09-2016, 03:14 PM)coolerking Wrote: KEEP
Ian Bell
Jon Trott
Sam Hain
Laurie Evans (if he's happy, otherwise not)
Tim Ambrose
Chris Woakes
Keith Barker
Rikki Clarke
Jeetan Patel
Josh Poysden
Chris Wright
Boyd Rankin

LOSE
Put it this way, I'd not miss any of the others.  And this is the nub of our problem: our first choice XI - fitness and availability permitting - is strong, assuming we recruit a couple of openers.  But beyond those it's very slim pickings.  When you consider the age of our first XI the requirement for solid, reliable back up - a strong squad in other words - is even more important.

Rankin is always injured - you'd keep him over OHD who has been pretty useful in T20/50 over?!!!
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#27
When Dougie spoke after the Lancs game, he said that he was not looking for any other new players in addition to Olly Stone.  He specifically said that he was not seeking an outside replacement for Varun Chopra.
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#28
(25-09-2016, 09:07 PM)Terry Wrote: When Dougie spoke after the Lancs game, he said that he was not looking for any other new players in addition to Olly Stone.  He specifically said that he was not seeking an outside replacement for Varun Chopra.

Doesn't increase my confidence that Dougie knows how to improve matters.
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#29
(25-09-2016, 08:32 PM)stingray Wrote: Rankin is always injured - you'd keep him over OHD who has been pretty useful in T20/50 over?!!!
Yes, Boyd is a much better bowler, simple as that.  He played more first class games than OHD (8 to 7) and his record was far superior (20 @ 27 v 8 @ 65).  I doubt we're going to see much of Woakes in the CC for the foreseeable future so Boyd's got a big role to play.  He has fitness issues of course but his quality trumps that, for me.

If OHD is happy to be a bit part player, and his salary reflects that, then keep him.  But if he went I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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#30
Having watched many of our young players over the last few season, including umpiring some of them, I can understand why the club believe they will develop into first team players.

I honestly believe the players like Adair, Umeed, Lamb, Thomason & at least one of the Brookes's will, if given the opportunity, become members of our first team squad for many seasons.

There is no benefit to be gained by going back to players who are over 30 who's performance doesn't justify a first team place, they are unlikely to suddenly improve at that age.
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#31
Didn't you say Coleman and Webb would make it?!
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#32
Newbie here, been a keen reader for a little while.

I'm going off the assumption we're on a pretty tight wage budget as it is. Central contract situation to balance itself out with Bell coming off his and Woakes to go on one.

Gordon to make way for Stone. Gordon is handy to have - but we're seeing him as a white ball specialist and he couldn't make the squad for Lords.

Porterfield and / or Evans (good white ball batsman however) to make way for Hughes. Porterfield with Ireland commitments and isn't exactly a hot shot with the bat in the white ball game.

I like Javid as a white ball cricketer, and OHD is a good white ball player while doing a job in the 4-day game.
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#33
I think we should assume that, with Stone joining and with Adair and Thomason hopefully fir next year (and maybe Rankin too, if we're really lucky), OH-D really has no role in four day cricket.  He may have bowled OK in the first innings against Lancs but he didn't get a look in during the second innings and was increasingly looking like a spare puck at an ice rink.  It would help if he could bat or field to a reasonable standard.
I think Gordon, too, has not quite made it.  I've said what I think about his dodgy action but I'm resting my judgment on his results and I don't think he has proved his case.
I still think that Ateeq has the ability to be a front line batter and am disappointed that he hasn't had the opportunities.  That's not to deny that he's a very useful one-day all-rounder but we desperately do need batters and I think we have one in Ateeq.
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#34
(25-09-2016, 10:01 AM)Bald Reynard Wrote: under
(24-09-2016, 07:57 PM)Harborne Bear Wrote: Chesney Hughes hit 3 hundreds, 4 fifties and averaged nearly 54, albeit in division two. Not too shabby compared with some of our players' averages!

Hughes would be a good shout - he's done well for a couple of sesaons at Derby.  I see they offered him a new contract which he turned down (so they obviously rate him), he hasn't just been released.  He's 25 - just the age and with the experience we need.  We desperately need 2 experienced Batsman - at least one being an opener.

I'd definitely release Porterfield (too many commitments with Ireland anyway).  I'm not sure about Evans, OHD, Gordon, Ateeq and Rankin.  Evans and OHD are obviously good One Day players - but I don't think they can hack it in the Championship (despite OHD having some good overs against Lancs) and they are 'getting on a bit' now (both nearing 30).  Gordon and Javid currently only offer the same One Day specialism - though they are a bit younger and could still develop as players in all forms of the game.  The question for the four of them, is should we JUST have White ball players !?  Ateeq can obviously no longer be considered a Batsman who bowls a bit, or even an All Rounder - but if we see him as a (back-up, second or third) spinner who can bat 6 or 7 (in the Championship, as well as One Day), I think he might have a future.  Similarly, Recordo has shown flashes of ability in the few First Class games he's played - and IF GIVEN CHANCES, COULD prove himself to be a good Championship Opening bowler.  Boyd is just so injury prone - but a great bowler when fit.

I think on balance, I'd give Boyd another season to prove himself (fitness-wise).  The same with Ateeq and Recordo - who at least have age on their side and haven't had much chance recently to prove themselves in the First class game..  I'd release Evans and OHD - I don't think we can continue to carry players of their age, who only offer One Day skills !?

Talking about age earlier, I started looking at the dates of birth of all the squad - and didn't realise Boyd was 32 !  Perhaps I might have to amend my suggestion that he be given another year to prove himself fitness-wise !  Even if he did remain injury free for a full season (a big if !), he won't have many years left as a Fast bowler - though I guess there are plenty out there who disprove that (Sidebottom being the prime example !) ?
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#35
Welcome Grasscutter - what you say makes a lot of sense.

It worries me that Dougie has apparently indicated that we're not in the market for anyone other than Stone over the winter - he clearly has considerably more faith in the existing squad than I do! Unless we strength the batting in particular I fear another relegation dodging battle ahead next year in four day cricket.
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