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The Future of County Cricket
(28-02-2016, 11:26 AM)rednalbear Wrote: thought you might say that simon

That thar simon knows what he's talking about.
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Words of warning from the Notts Chairman:
http://www.nottinghampost.com/Nottingham...l/story.ht
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That is a broken link
While Robert may be bad, Robert is not all Mugabe's.
There are GOOD Mugabe's
It is Warwickshire County Cricket Club!
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Not sure what happened there - try this:
http://www.nottinghampost.com/Nottingham...story.html
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We'd all better prepare ourselves for a city based tournament with one or two wild cards like Somerset then...... If it isn't this year it will be soon.
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I've had a go at capturing the current state of play in this article for Deep Extra Cover:
http://deepextracover.com/2016/03/the-fu...art-three/
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The changes for 2017 onwards have been announced:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-crick...79205.html

County championship cut to 14 matches with Div 1 of 8 teams and Div 2 of 10. T20 to be played in a block in July and August, One Day cup to take place in April and May with the final in July.

Not sure quite what to make of this. Disappointing to lose 2 championship matches but playing the T20 in the school holidays makes sense. Also great to see that the One Day cup final will be in July, maybe Lord's will be more than half full then!
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At least the idea of two T20 divisions has been abandoned.
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A second division of ten teams playing 14 games will lack credibility. There will be 4 teams a county will play only once. For me it makes no sense. A lot of T20 matches in a short time period will test the pockets of the punters. The only way to retain members is to sell the memberships in "blocks". Personally i am only interested in 4 day and 50 over cricket and certainly object to being force fed a form of the game i do not appreciate. Most counties have 50 over and 4 day memberships separated from T20 and Warwickshire must follow suite or risk losing members.
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How can you have a credible league when teams do not play each other either just once (as rugby's 6 nations) or home and away like just about every other sport.
In the early days of T20 I remember Warks having 3 home games in about 8 days and it failed. It might work in Oz but I have my doubts in the UK.
LE - aka John
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Sadly the ECB have short changed members who follow proper cricket to cater for fans of the t20 slog,their argument being these people will attend proper cricket,not going to happen,it's s unique sport,less than50%'get' it& never will,it's a complex sport appreciated by a minority,always has been,always will be,the twists& turns of the longer form of the game are part& parcel,not every ball is edge of the seat stuff,that was never the intention of the great game
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Yet again we are fed the line that to preserve proper cricket we have to marginalise it and play it in the winter. Idiots.
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Next cricket society meeting@ Edgbaston could be feisty,the guest is Steve Elworthy who holds some lofty position within the ECB,think he may cry off?
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(08-03-2016, 08:43 AM)narsty simon Wrote: Sadly the ECB have short changed members who follow proper cricket to cater for fans of the t20 slog,their argument being these people will attend proper cricket,not going to happen,it's s unique sport,less than50%'get' it& never will,it's a complex sport appreciated by a minority,always has been,always will be,the twists& turns of the longer form of the game are part& parcel,not every ball is edge of the seat stuff,that was never the intention of the great game

I attend many CC games .... love both CC and T20. Perhaps I'm in a minority.... members area always seems full though when there is a T20 game on? I don't like the terms slog and proper cricket - the cricket family is a diverse group.

Whatever the form of the game... too many games in too short a period is counter productive. Leagues must be based on a home and away fixture list. The four day game should be played through most of the year to give variation to conditions - part of the test. I also believe that in June there should be one day / night CC game to get people in the ground.

Sadly we are heading to a world of franchise cricket..... I believe this could have been avoided by a bit of creativity with the county structure..... but I fear a revolution instead.
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I don't actually fear franchise cricket. In some ways i welcome it.

My beef is with Warwickshire County Cricket Club calling themselves a different name whilst playing cricket and using the Bear and Ragged Staff on their shirts.

If everybody goes city based franchises then i don't care.

Personally i don't watch 20/20 anyway despite being a member.

Long term I see the logic as transferring ownership and leaving the "Budweiser Edgbaston Stadium" for tests and 20/20 and Warwickshire moving away to play first class matches at a purpose built stadium in the centre of the county.
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Club response is here:
http://www.edgbaston.com/2669/new-domest...ost+Jan+31
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Comes to something when the top of a County Cricket Club is not concerned about the County Championship being such an imbalanced set up.
LE - aka John
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Very interesting times for the game.....
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It's interesting that, as far as I can see, Warwickshire are the only county to have put out an official statement about the changes.  Essex have said something very half-hearted that " as an ECB decision, it is our responsibility to implement the new structure as successfully as we can." Martyn Moxon of Yorkshire has expressed what are presumably his personal opinions.  The other counties have simply reproduced the ECB press release without comment.  So I think Warwickshire and Neil Snowball deserve some credit for speaking out, regardless of whether you agree with what he has said.
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Brilliant post on the Guardian website in response to Mike Selvey's article

Thought it worth re-posting here.

Thoughts?

Mike Selvey has seen the light on the road to Melbourne!

I read this with a sense of disappoint I always seem to have when I read major cricket writers I respect on non-playing issues where they seem to singularly fail to understand large swathes of the cricket loving public. It's like the disappointment I felt when I read Selvey's article about recreational cricket that called for the re-instigation of artificial pitches in club cricket. It completely misunderstood the motivations, passions and interests of those that play serious (and less serious) club cricket up and down the country and was in need of a history lesson in the disastrous failure of that exact strategy from 30+ years ago. That article failed to understand and respect the people who play the game every weekend up and down the country - this fails to understand those who turn up to watch.

The basic point that Canute can't hold back the tide of T20 is fair as is the idea that County Cricket is niche. I like the idea of T20 v Championship/Test Matches and the decline of the 50 Overs game seems inevitable. The idea of moving the Championship start date later is also good. That makes sense to me. What I don't accept is the idea that city based franchises is the way to go for English cricket or that it represents a positive development because I think it massively misunderstand the English cricket audience which is not the same as the Australian cricket audience. There is a much bigger well of general cricket fans in Australia - the game just has a larger profile. In England we have a big divide between the hardcore fan and the casual fan - and the point about the casual fan is that they are casual! That was why block T20 didn't work very well last time.

People might be prepared to go once a month but expecting large numbers of people and families with only a passing interest in the game to turn-up 2/3 times a week was never going to work. The other point that always seems to get lost is the bloody weather - my general experience of watching T20 in England even in high summer is that it generally gets damn cold from about 8.00 onwards if you're not moving about and I normally spend the last 5-10 overs just hoping it ends quickly. That's not the case in Aus. Is it really an attractive prospect for a family to sit there shivering with bored kids sitting on their IPods while generic tunes get blared at them? I just can't see the conversation 'darling, the Bristol Buccaneers are playing the Nottingham Raiders at Nevil Road this evening it's only just started spitting so we might get away with it, Raiders have just signed Aaron Finch do you fancy taking the kids along?'

Only the English cricket establishment would look at the fact that we have 18 permanent professional bases for cricket across the country with strong links into clubs, schools and communities driven by long standing emotional attachments and treat that as if it was a massive roadblock to progress. Instead it would want to replace it with a set of bland marketing slogans, cheerleaders, golden helmets, mussaq and all the nonsense that goes into replacing real atmosphere with marketised 'entertainment'. T20 could do with improving but the idea of a city-based franchise system just leaves me utterly cold. The best atmospheres for evening T20 in this country are undoubtedly at Taunton, Worcester and Chelmsford do we really want to get rid of all that to chase the impossible dream of 50,000+ watching 2 teams of Harlem Globetrotters like global mercenaries at a cricket circus?

By the way, Championship might well be niche but the ECB and counties haven't half waved the white flag on it. I think there is an audience for Championship cricket - loads of people follow it online and listen to it on the radio now. Sky refuses to give it any TV coverage - I honestly think if it had a terrestrial TV deal with someone like ITV4 it would get surprisingly good viewing figures but Sky has completely buried it. Niche it may be - but no effort whatsoever has been put into exploiting that niche. Instead, English cricket has done the usual thing - discounting the interests of the real hardcore cricket fans in order to pursue a mass market in casual fans that does not actually exist. It's infuriating - no sport in any country has less of a grasp on its audience and what it wants than English Cricket does.
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