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The Future of County Cricket
(15-05-2018, 04:52 PM)Leicester Exile Wrote: WB Those many thousands of supporters of Birmingham Bears are, I bet, simply WARWICKSHIRE supporters. As I asked a few days ago - do you hear chants of Birmingham La La La or is it Warwickshire La La La. It is only to appease the Council that the name was changed to Birmingham.

Also I would say for every person attending because they want to support a BIRMINGHAM team there will be at least one from Nuneaton, Coventry, Leamington etc who do not go because they have no affiliation to the City.

But it's often said that people don't travel more than 30 minutes to a T20 game by the so called purists...who seem to like to argue against T20 on any account... So given the large size of the crowds and your point, it would suggest then that the good folks of Coventry etc. love to go to Edgbaston for a T20 match... But less so for a CC match.

Time to open up the membership to T20 only supporters rather than having to pay for red ball cricket - and to be fair ... Vice versa...or both. Although I suspect many of the hardcore purists won't like that.
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"Time to open up the membership to T20 only supporters rather than having to pay for red ball cricket - and to be fair ... Vice versa...or both. Although I suspect many of the hardcore purists won't like that."

In fairness Warley I agree with that statement and it is an idea that could be explored; a few years back the club offered a "season pass" type ticket, which wasn't membership but allowed the holder entrance to all games; it was split into the "classic" pass which covered the Championship and 50 Over Trophy or the "modern" which covered Sunday League (Or whatever it was called that year) and 20/20.

I felt it was a good idea (One of Povey's few good ideas!) and a few of my friends who enjoyed going to limited overs cricket but not First Class took it up. It didn't allow members rights (Sitting in the members areas as they were back then, voting etc.) but that was ok for us as I usually sit in the Barnes / Pressbox stands and I could still vote. I would certainly support a "split" type membership, but with a bias towards those who hold "full" membership. Perhaps if those of us with full membership had 2 votes while those with "half" only have 1?
Bears fan, Wolves fan, blood red Socialist, a not so vital statistician; what a collection...
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Good point RB.

There is a T20 season ticket... But it is time that T20 supporters were seen as part of the club and reinvigorate its membership that may now sadly be at around 6,000 (??) from its hay day.

I would have two options and you can buy both if you wish.... with voting rights assigned accordingly.
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But the dilemma is - Membership is with Warwickshire County Cricket Club. T20 is played by Birmingham Bears. Biggrin
LE - aka John
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Don't think T20 fans know the difference
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What is the size of the clubs membership now? I was shocked a few weeks ago when someone said it was down to 6,000?

Red ball supporters could buy just that... T20 supporters that... and those who like things as they are... both. It would increase membership and belonging to the club in both format's.

Also... Is anything going to be done about external signage of the next game. The old board near the colts ground has long gone...I was expecting digital signage to replace it. Next fixtures, state of play, ticket prices etc. Perhaps I've missed it... But I think it's crucial.
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Some interesting views here from ex-Bear Wasim Khan:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/2...wasim-khan
The working party (of which Ashley Giles is also a member) seem to be going about their brief very sensibly.
And, miracle of miracles:
"We're definitely looking at canvasing the views of spectators. We're looking at setting up an email address. We'll encourage people to send their views in.  A lot of good people watch cricket and have for a long time. Let's get their views on what they think would work."
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Like the thoughts of Wasim Khan there. I hope they can persuade the PCA to back a move away from blocks in the season.

Of course there will be a block for the hundred bu outside of that there should be a fair spread of games from May to August with List A games piggy backing the Championship fixtures in May and August while T20 games piggy back the Championship games in June and July.

It should be very straight-forward to plan a fixture list that has one Championship game + 1 List A/T20 game per week from May through August. The London sides tend to favour Thursday night T20 fair enough. The other big city sides like Friday night. Throw in a 50 over knockout cup involving the Minor Counties. Then use September for play offs in all formats and keep all counties involved by having play offs for the minor placings & wooden spoon etc...
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Hmmm.... There's just a hint there that in order to make room for two slogging contests they might decide to play the County Championship in Abu Dhabi. That would not be nice.
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Playing part of the County Championship abroad would not be spectator-friendly.
Assuming that there really will be an email address for supporters to send their views, I would imagine that there will be quite a few people saying the same thing.
No wonder the ECB specifically banned this group from discussing The 100 - far too many sensible people on the group who understand the game.
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Playing in Abu Dhabi would be fine if the ECB funded a charter plane for members to support their teams!!!!!
LE - aka John
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(20-05-2018, 08:47 PM)Terry Wrote: Playing part of the County Championship abroad would not be spectator-friendly.
Assuming that there really will be an email address for supporters to send their views, I would imagine that there will be quite a few people saying the same thing.
No wonder the ECB specifically banned this group from discussing The 100 - far too many sensible people on the group who understand the game.

County Championship not spectator friendly, no change from the current situation then
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Some challenging thinking here:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/2...e-watching
Having seen Death of a Gentleman, I'm not surprised that Sam Collins casts Giles Clarke as the villain of the story.
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I'm surprised people liked the thoughts of Wasim Khan.  Moving away from divisions to conferences surely jettisons the best vs the best and is a step back to the old three day, eighteen club championship where a lot of the games were two sets of disinterested players trying to get off for bad light. Two divisions of 9 teams, two concurrent 20/20 /  100 competitions and fit in the 50 over stuff when you can.  i.e go back, as far as possible, to where we were before the 8:10 split of the divisions.  Far too many "radical" ideas around most of which are just old, failed ideas.
RB
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Absolutely agree about 2 divisions v conference - season was over for most teams by June
LE - aka John
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Jettisoning the best vs the best might not be such a bad thing though. Opening up the championship to 18 teams again may widen the talent pool and prevent sides like Leics, Glam and Derby from sliding into obscurity. Taking away the threat of relegation may incentivise counties to keep blooding raw youngsters instead of tried and trusted kolpaks. A young spinner or a raw paceman may get more of a look in as opposed to Ashwell Prince or whoever bed blocking places in starting 11's
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The solution is obvious... But not many would like it.

Unfortunately we are just seeing rehashed ideas from nice people with good intentions... but sorry... the idea of a regional conference system is dreadful...

The best counties need to be playing meaningful and competitive red ball games against each other across the season. Some counties have been the bye word for failure for far too long and are dragging themselves and the championship down. The fact that Derby's and Leics have held the wooden spoon seventy percent of the time this century as we head towards the third decade of it is truelly shocking.

Some counties (and there are opportunities beyond the current set up) would be better focusing on white ball cricket from both a commercial and competitive perspective.

Get the structure right and focus on systems that suit the viability of counties and the future will be solid....
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Wow didn't realise Derby and Leicestershire had been wooden spoonists70%of the time this century, surprised you haven't brought it up before!!!
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Just been listening to Wasim Khan being interviewed by Agnew on TMS. He was picking his words very carefully but it sounded to me like he knows he has got an impossible task stuffing quarts into pint pots. I wouldn't expect anything very satisfactory to come out of the working party.

He pointedly referred to "The Hundred" as a 'concept'. Seems he didn't get the Colin Graves cast-in-stone email either.
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Andy Flower points out that the domestic structure hampers the Test side:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44258291
In more controversial comments, he also expressed the view that the Pope may well be a Catholic and that bears (but not Bears) are inclined to use wooded areas as their toilet.
To be fair, it could just be that his voice will be heard now that he is temporarily in charge so it's good that he has spoken out.
Sad that Andrew Strauss has needed to take time off because of his wife's illness - let us hope for a happy outcome.
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