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Global Warming
Contributors to this thread may find tonight's Radio 4 programme The Moral Maze interesting:
"As the flood waters rise and gales rip through the country the debate about climate change has erupted with new energy, with both sides claiming the scientific and moral high ground. So where does that leave us? Whether it's climate change, GM crops or the latest IVF technique - how should we make moral decisions when the facts are in dispute? Environmentalists accuse the sceptics of being climate change "deniers" with all the emotional charge that comes with that word "denier"; while the sceptics accuse the environmentalists of following a quasi-religious cult that is more about controlling people's freedoms than it is about anything to do with the weather. Both claim the science backs up their position and accuse the other side of ignoring and twisting the evidence. Do we rely too much on science being the only reliable and neutral source of knowledge? How often have you heard politicians fall back on the phrase "the science shows that..." when they're promoting their own values and policies? Is science filling in the moral vacuum left by our increasing scepticism of traditional forms of authority? Or is the scientific method the only thing that's saving us from dressing up our own prejudices as moral, right and just? Increasingly we live in an age when we want answers and we want them now. But arguably, we also live in an age when our scientific illiteracy is matched only by our philosophical ignorance. Thankfully the Moral Maze is here to help. Combative, provocative and engaging debate chaired by Michael Buerk with Claire Fox, Michael Portillo, Giles Fraser and Anne McElvoy."
On at 8.00 pm .
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Thry should have asked a few contributors to this thread to appear - at least we would make it REALLY interesting :thumbup:
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Here's some more food for thought from my lectures:

[Image: Screenshot+from+2014-03-24+03%253A39%253A59.png]

Does anyone remember the heatwave of 2003? In case anyone's forgotten, there were more than 20,000 heat related deaths in Europe. On the graph above, this is marked as the little black cross which is above all the other points on the graph. From then on, the graph is a projection of the average temperature in the future. You might notice that the temperatures that we saw in 2003 will be seen as an average summer by 2050. Personally, I don't want this to happen.

P.S - Paul, could this thread be made an "important thread" along with the weather thread, as we both know how important it is!
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Interesting post..... Very colourful. Someone spent some time and money dreaming the colours up for that. The bit from 50 degrees north from Bordeaux seems to not be included? But thats pretty warm for even the southern mediteranean.

Also, sadly, we mustnt forget that over 30,000 people died last winter in the UK alone from freezing to death in their beds because the do gooders thought over the last twenty years that a balanced power generation system was wrong.... They couldn't come to terms with that including nuclear power stations.... It's been All environmental taxes and windmills type thinking from liberals who can afford to heat their homes. Remember the crazy idea of utility companies sending cheap and nasty light bulbs out by post to get some tax back for the share holders in the name of being green? Of course we should consider the environment..... But less of the fluffy thinking from the tree huggers and more balance please. The utility companies just rub their hands with glee as the scientists get their funding increased to justify big divi's for their share holders as the politicians get ready to become the next advisor when their political days are over.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25100497

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnationa...12-13.html


A balanced and affordable energy policy please..... One that isn't just relying on Oil, gas or windmills..... One that uses diverse sources (including Oil, Gas, Sun, Wind, Tidal and Nuclear) that generates power in enough quantity for the whole of the UK. Stop the Nimbys from getting in the way and foreign companies profiteering in the building of the energy creating systems.

Imagination and vision rather than pseudo green graphs and utility profiteering.
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(24-03-2014, 04:50 AM)Exiled Bear Wrote: Here's some more food for thought from my lectures:

[Image: Screenshot+from+2014-03-24+03%253A39%253A59.png]

Does anyone remember the heatwave of 2003? In case anyone's forgotten, there were more than 20,000 heat related deaths in Europe. On the graph above, this is marked as the little black cross which is above all the other points on the graph. From then on, the graph is a projection of the average temperature in the future. You might notice that the temperatures that we saw in 2003 will be seen as an average summer by 2050. Personally, I don't want this to happen.

P.S - Paul, could this thread be made an "important thread" along with the weather thread, as we both know how important it is!

ok thats done
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Good stuff...... I found it very colourful and interesting based on the defined data.

The latest for the UK is a very variable picture .... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26731790




The forced mass medication of the public by the state is also concerning..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26729484

There will be a percentage of the population who fluoride doesn't agree with.... even if the 'scientists' say its safe. Where's the choice?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26824943
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More proof that for two decades the do gooders have fought against a balanced power stratedgy in the name of windmills built anywhere but their back yards.

The politics of fear.... Alarmist? ...... build those nuclear power stations now.... and get those windmills built in the shires too. Focus on finding cheap clean power rather than pushing people into fuel poverty!
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(31-03-2014, 10:06 PM)Warleybear Wrote: More proof that for two decades the do gooders have fought against a balanced power stratedgy in the name of windmills built anywhere but their back yards.

The politics of fear.... Alarmist? ...... build those nuclear power stations now.... and get those windmills built in the shires too. Focus on finding cheap clean power rather than pushing people into fuel poverty!

I suspect we'll go the other way and invest in fracking and look to coal like Germany.
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I'm all for a few hot summers in my retirement - it's what I worked all my life for :thumbup:
LE - aka John
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Dry ones, please. Dry ones.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26957039


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...49179.html


I think the scientists need grants to investigate this..... Perhaps a baked bean tax?
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(09-04-2014, 09:18 PM)Warleybear Wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26957039


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...49179.html


I think the scientists need grants to investigate this..... Perhaps a baked bean tax?

:lol:
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LOL :lol:
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(09-04-2014, 09:18 PM)Warleybear Wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26957039


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...49179.html


I think the scientists need grants to investigate this..... Perhaps a baked bean tax?

Your funniest thing since the year of the horse :thumbup:

have we got to wait another 10 years for another one :001_tt2:
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Well cows have been accused in the past and there are probably more humans, and baked beans..........................
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(09-04-2014, 11:11 PM)Leicester Exile Wrote: Well cows have been accused in the past and there are probably more humans, and baked beans..........................
Do you eat baked beans LE. I rarely do, had some yesterday. I let myself down.:mad:
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Love 'em on toast with cheese grilled over them.
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The Horse.... mustnt forget the horse :lol:

They might contribute to global warming too.... :001_unsure:
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I know ir's an old thread but this amused me:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=politi...B900%3B602
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