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Global Warming
#41
Caused by the high price due to Green Taxes, no doubt :fishing:
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#42
(13-11-2013, 12:25 AM)Paul Wrote:
(12-11-2013, 11:45 PM)Warleybear Wrote: Don't get me going over water ... My aunts road is half served by South Staffs and Severn Trent for Water (not sewerage which is all ST). The water bill is a third more for the ST houses.

The other thing is, they medicate the public in the Midlands by throwing fluoride into the water. We have no choice. In other parts of the country they don't do this. Some people are sensitive to fluoride.... Why are we all forced to take the 'medicine' ? What about my Human Rights?

Something is very rotten in this country when it comes to electricity,gas and water. A very alien concept to me....but perhaps the concept of nationalisation is something that may have to be considered as the last two decades have not worked with private utilities. I think there is going to be a growing need for change by many... whatever their political persuasion.

Yes what is the purpose of putting fluoride in water. Dental Health. Well its not the 1930s anymore. Unfortunately no party will ever renationalise. They cant afford to but they should never have been privatised in the first place. Another legacy of Thatcherism we are suffering for now!

Free market competition has its place. State ownership has its place.

I think the holy grail is non-politicized state ownership. IE the state is free to invest public money how it sees fit without having to defend every decision made by the companies they invest in.

However, many of the privatizations of the 80's and 90's relied on creating false and manipulated markets. This is really no better than Stalinist 5 year plan economics.

And now we see it again with stimulus plans for the housing market.

A disaster waiting to happen . . .
We met with Povey but we did not eat the biscuits.
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#43
Sorry to burst the socialist bubble that's inflated on this thread but privatisation and deregulation worked until the creation of a toothless regulator Ofgem by the last Labour govt. They then took their eye of the ball and allowed vertical integration in the energy market - i.e. generators became suppliers.

The Tories explicitly barred this as part of the privatisation and deregulation of these companies. It was the 1997-onwards Labour government that allowed itself to be lobbied by vested interests and allow the disastrous series of monopolistic mergers that have led us to where we are today.

Energy prices actually fell in real terms by 18% in the 3 years following full deregulation in 1998. And small suppliers with full access to the pool flourished. Good companies like Independent Energy were effectively forced out of business when RWE, E-On and EDF gobbled up the old regional companies and denied them this.

The current problems are due to a failure of regulation and the imposition of green taxes on consumers to fund our leaders' climate change fantasies.


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#44
The current problems go a bit deeper than that Dave. Green levies i think add about £1 a week to our fuel bill, so there's a lot of bs about that being the problem and when Georgie boy cuts that it will add to people fuel poverty because if they stop insulatiing peoples homes it will cost more to heat their homes.
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#45
£1 a week = £52 a year = nearly 5% of average bill. To retired people living just above the benefit line that is not insignificant. Anyway, how will cutting green taxes stop the insulating of homes for anyone not on benefit?
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#46
(27-11-2013, 03:54 PM)Leicester Exile Wrote: £1 a week = £52 a year = nearly 5% of average bill. To retired people living just above the benefit line that is not insignificant. Anyway, how will cutting green taxes stop the insulating of homes for anyone not on benefit?

fair enough but its less than half the price of a cup of coffee at costa or starbucks.

I thought green levies went towards helping poorer people getting their homes insulated as well as green energy. To be honest i have no idea who is eligible. Pensioners probably are because they get free prescriptions, winter fuel allowance and other benefits.
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#47
RE: Global Warming
I see sense in both arguments... But over the last decade my bills spin out of control. Let's have some nice new nuclear power stations with a few windmills around them.

I'm not a member of the loony left... But something has to be done to break the virtual monopoly the power companies hold with their confusing tariffs and standing charges. If the free market can't work.... Tuff - nationalize the bstards and send the share holders packing back to France. The three main political parties are shiseters. Let's get out of the EEC, implement strong birder controls and send the do gooders on a long holiday to Romania or Greece.

Green levies are a joke. I was sent some sh1te Eco bulbs a few years ago by Npower so they could tick the green box. Totally useless. Do they think we are all idiots? Yes... and we probably are! Green levies.... Bit of foam in the loft .... Useless. Green policies.... It's all Bo Lox.
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#48
I agree with your second paragraph. How can anything that is run for the benefit of a few shareholders be better than something that is run for the benefit of everyone. Forget socialism or capitalism this is basic need. It shouldn't be about profit...
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#49
(27-11-2013, 05:52 PM)Paul Wrote:
(27-11-2013, 03:54 PM)Leicester Exile Wrote: £1 a week = £52 a year = nearly 5% of average bill. To retired people living just above the benefit line that is not insignificant. Anyway, how will cutting green taxes stop the insulating of homes for anyone not on benefit?

fair enough but its less than half the price of a cup of coffee at costa or starbucks.

I thought green levies went towards helping poorer people getting their homes insulated as well as green energy. To be honest i have no idea who is eligible. Pensioners probably are because they get free prescriptions, winter fuel allowance and other benefits.

I can assure you, Paul, Pensioners only get free prescriptions . The winter fuel allowance was brought in to compensate for previous years of less than inflation increases in the state pension ( Gordon Brown one year increased pensions by just 75p when inflation and pay were rising much higher). They do not get any other benefits from the state. Assistance with insulation is only given to those receiving additional benefits - those of us that put money aside for our old age get no assistance from the green levies.
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(28-11-2013, 01:02 AM)Leicester Exile Wrote:
(27-11-2013, 05:52 PM)Paul Wrote:
(27-11-2013, 03:54 PM)Leicester Exile Wrote: £1 a week = £52 a year = nearly 5% of average bill. To retired people living just above the benefit line that is not insignificant. Anyway, how will cutting green taxes stop the insulating of homes for anyone not on benefit?

fair enough but its less than half the price of a cup of coffee at costa or starbucks.

I thought green levies went towards helping poorer people getting their homes insulated as well as green energy. To be honest i have no idea who is eligible. Pensioners probably are because they get free prescriptions, winter fuel allowance and other benefits.

I can assure you, Paul, Pensioners only get free prescriptions . The winter fuel allowance was brought in to compensate for previous years of less than inflation increases in the state pension ( Gordon Brown one year increased pensions by just 75p when inflation and pay were rising much higher). They do not get any other benefits from the state. Assistance with insulation is only given to those receiving additional benefits - those of us that put money aside for our old age get no assistance from the green levies.

Free insulation is not only given to those on benefits, it's also given to those who live in a postcode which needs energy efficiency improvements the most and also houses which don't have cavity wall insulation.
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#51
I don't have cavity walls, I live in an area that isn't affluent but don't claim benefits. I looked into what help was available and was told none. I could get a green loan to externally insulate the outside wall which I would have to pay back.

Who gets the help? I'm not getting any... so I'd rather have cheaper bills than help some landlord or Johnny foreigner.

A lot of pensioners (not all) have never had it so good with help for their bills, buss passes etc, etc. Families and young people have taken the brunt of this recession.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25154191
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#52
Ican assure you most pensioners do not get help with their bills. Remember the state pension equates to well below the minimum wage. And since the coalition the threshold at which point one starts paying tax has not increased for pensioners whereas it has increased considerably for under 60/65s. So while much praise is given for the fact that pensions have increased by 2.5% each year the failure to increase the tax threshold has effectively wiped the benefit out.

As this thread is really about Global Warming - what do the scaremongers make of the report that the Met Office state there has been no global warming for 16 years.
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(02-12-2013, 12:26 AM)Leicester Exile Wrote: Ican assure you most pensioners do not get help with their bills. Remember the state pension equates to well below the minimum wage. And since the coalition the threshold at which point one starts paying tax has not increased for pensioners whereas it has increased considerably for under 60/65s. So while much praise is given for the fact that pensions have increased by 2.5% each year the failure to increase the tax threshold has effectively wiped the benefit out.

As this thread is really about Global Warming - what do the scaremongers make of the report that the Met Office state there has been no global warming for 16 years.

Have you got a link to this report?
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(02-12-2013, 12:26 AM)Leicester Exile Wrote: Ican assure you most pensioners do not get help with their bills. Remember the state pension equates to well below the minimum wage. And since the coalition the threshold at which point one starts paying tax has not increased for pensioners whereas it has increased considerably for under 60/65s. So while much praise is given for the fact that pensions have increased by 2.5% each year the failure to increase the tax threshold has effectively wiped the benefit out.

As this thread is really about Global Warming - what do the scaremongers make of the report that the Met Office state there has been no global warming for 16 years.

This is old news well before the latest IPCC report. Anyway we've been through this before regarding global temperatures because they are using a 1998 as the starting point when the average global temperature was really high.

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#55
Pensioners of today have more given to them than thirty years ago. Outside the big cities, they even had to pay for buss passes.

Pensioners in thirty years time are likely to have less than those of today.

Of course there are those who struggle.

Build those nuclear power stations now!
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#56
Every age group has some things that were not available 30 years ago. Minimum wage being one. On the whole the population is more prosperous despite the recession. For example many more people take long haul holidays than they ever did in the 70s and many more own their own home than they did in the 70s. There has been a gradual increase in the wealth of the population over the past 30 years. However, I think you will find the state pension has not risen at the same rate as the average wage over that period.
I'm not really complaining about my lot - I just think the state pension should equate to the minimum wage.
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#57
I read it in the Mail on Sunday - where else!! Paul your reason sounds like manipulating stats to prove anything - how many more years of no increase does it take for the scaremongers to admit they may have got it wrong.
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#58
State pension is topped up with pension credit so you are always going to get a minimum of £145.40 a week tax free. Free bus passes and local rail, free prescriptions, dentist, eye tests, housing benefit, winter fuel allowance. Whereas jsa is 71.70 if you are OVER 24 and £56 if you are under. Now I'm not saying that pensioners shouldn't get more but people loose their jobs and placed on the poverty lone through no fault of their own and told to live off that. Even working families are struggling to manage and going for pay day loans. Pension age is going up. People of Exiled Bear's age may have to work until they are 70 to pay off the mess the last couple of generations have got us into. So its the youth I feel sorry for not the pensioners.
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Sorry Paul your figures are wrong. My state pension is well below £145.50 and my wife's less than 50% of that. Pension credit does not apply to anyone who has saved over the years from their taxed wages. Never heard of free train fares. No reductions for dentists. The benefits you refer to are for those who never saved and only have the state pension to live on.

Don't forget the over 60s have paid into the system for over 40 years and many over retirement age are having to continue working. I agree with you about the hardship suffered by many young people and working families. I don't think you can blame the last couple of generations for the mess. The mess was caused solely by the last government spending borrowed money in quite a reckless manner. Most people starting work in the 60s and 70s saved for their retirement and bought their own house - and saved for what they wanted rather than expecting everything straight away.
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#60
Yes I was making the point about people with no works pension or savings. Free train travel does apply for west midland pensioners anyway. You can't just blame the last govt, it's govts before them too and people spending money they haven't got but we won't go into that. Back to global warming you didn't answer exiled bears question.

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